Afterwards there was a "planning meeting". The group hasn't had its founder around for a while (although he's still active on the IRC channel after he moved to Seattle to work for Internap), and meetings have been somewhat moribund - no topics of discussion and generally no meeting announcements until the day before. DT came in wanting some order and structure which honked off the Old Timers. Finally there was a face-to-face meeting, and it wasn't bad. DT has that rare ability of sending 50 page email messages that honk off folks. But there was no violence, no shouting, no stabbings, very few gunshots.